WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 18 Released

We are pleased to announce the release of issue 18 of WDWNT: The Magazine.  It’s that time of year when the kids are returning to school, and the Orlando locals are returning to the parks.  At WDWNT: The Magazine, we like to spend this time of year reminiscing about the past and then thinking about the future.

In this issue of the magazine we gaze through the hazy filter of yesteryear to look back at the Aladdin that never was, tales from a number of Jungle Cruise skippers, and the Hoop Dee Doo Revue.  Then it’s straight on to the future as we look at what is in the pipeline for Pixar, part 3 of our Aulani review, and the state of the Disney College Program.  And just so the present doesn’t feel left out, we also have another Dining Plan Deep Dive for our readers, along with one writers attempt at 4 parks in 1 day.

We hope that you will find the articles within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).  If you like what you read here, please share it with your friends.

Remembering a Legend: Robert Sherman (1925-2012)

Today, this small, small world has gotten just a little bit smaller as we say goodbye and fondly remember Robert Sherman.

Few things make such an impression on us as music. It fills our heads and refuses to leave our hearts. Weeks after we come back from a Disney vacation, we find ourselves still whistling and humming “It’s a Small World”.  Along with his brother, Richard, Robert Sherman helped to create a gift of music that we will never be able to repay. Our debt includes classic attraction theme songs such as “The Enchanted Tiki Room”, “There’s a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow”, and “One Little Spark”. Through Robert’s poetry and music, we find a man with a passion for his art and with a true desire to make the world a happier place.

The Sherman Brothers’ music also reaches our hearts through such classic films as the Jungle Book, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and Mary Poppins for which they received academy awards. In the words of Robert’s son Jeffrey, “Dad once told me he wished he could stand at the end of the “It’s a Small World” ride so he could shake everyone’s hand as they exited. World peace, charity, love and family were his prayer for the world.”

Robert Sherman may have left this world but he will always live on in our minds and in our hearts. All I can say is bravo and thank you.

– By Josh Hall of WDWNT: The Magazine

WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 12 Released

Issue 12.  That’s now 760 pages of content going back to issue 1.  Back when we first started discussing this crazy idea of a free monthly magazine for Disney fans, we were not sure we would have enough content for issue 1, let alone 12 issues.  Now that issue 12 is here, our writers are still churning out great stories and the backlog of ideas just seems to be getting longer every month.

As I look back at the last year of WDWNT: The Magazine, I am incredibly proud of what this team has accomplished.  No other group of in the Disney community is creating a monthly magazine containing top-notch writing combined with eye-catching graphics and photos and then giving it away for free.  It’s a tribute to the passion and dedication of the writing, editing, photography, and layout teams that WDWNT: The Magazine continues to grow in both popularity and quality.  More importantly, this team is not content with what has been accomplished so far.  We are moving ever forward and are focused on continuing to bring the best Disney-based long-form content in the community to our readers.

This month has a great collection of articles covering topics as diverse as the physics of Mission: Space, the Disney Dining Plan, soups in Walt Disney World, the relevance of Disney theme parks in 2012, the D23 experience for international members, a look back at The Timekeeper attraction, vinylmation, and Mondo art.  In a first for WDWNT: The Magazine, this issue also features the debut of a fictional work being presented serially.

We hope that you will find the articles within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).  If you like what you read here, please share it with your friends.

WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 12 Released

Issue 12.  That’s now 760 pages of content going back to issue 1.  Back when we first started discussing this crazy idea of a free monthly magazine for Disney fans, we were not sure we would have enough content for issue 1, let alone 12 issues.  Now that issue 12 is here, our writers are still churning out great stories and the backlog of ideas just seems to be getting longer every month.

As I look back at the last year of WDWNT: The Magazine, I am incredibly proud of what this team has accomplished.  No other group of in the Disney community is creating a monthly magazine containing top-notch writing combined with eye-catching graphics and photos and then giving it away for free.  It’s a tribute to the passion and dedication of the writing, editing, photography, and layout teams that WDWNT: The Magazine continues to grow in both popularity and quality.  More importantly, this team is not content with what has been accomplished so far.  We are moving ever forward and are focused on continuing to bring the best Disney-based long-form content in the community to our readers.

This month has a great collection of articles covering topics as diverse as the physics of Mission: Space, the Disney Dining Plan, soups in Walt Disney World, the relevance of Disney theme parks in 2012, the D23 experience for international members, a look back at The Timekeeper attraction, vinylmation, and Mondo art.  In a first for WDWNT: The Magazine, this issue also features the debut of a fictional work being presented serially.

We hope that you will find the articles within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).  If you like what you read here, please share it with your friends.

WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 11 Released

Issue 11 Cover

We are happy to announce the release of issue 11 of WDWNT: The Magazine.  A new year is upon us, and as usual when the calendar turns over, it’s a good time to look back at 2011 and look forward to 2012.  Certainly 2012 looks to be a big year for Disney parks, and WDWNT: The Magazine is looking forward to sharing those moments with you.  To get us started, this issue features a look back at the top 11 stories of 2011. (At WDWNT, we just can’t stop making lists.)  In addition, this issue of WDWNT: The Magazine contains the continuation of our article on the fascinating panel at IAAPA featuring Marty Sklar and Jack Lindquist.   We also have articles on runDisney’s Goofy challenge, Disney trip planning 101, and a look into the world of Disney video games.

We also have a few of our reoccurring columns in this issue as Eating WDW gets a sweet tooth to examine the cupcakes of the vacation kingdom, an appreciative look at Vinylmation, and Magical Memorium looks back at the Fife and Drum in Liberty Square.  This issue also has the return of The Time I, which provides a record of spending New Year’s Eve in the Disneyland Resort.  All this, along with monthly news highlights, a new Where in the World photo hunt, and much more await you in this issue of WDWNT: The Magazine.

We hope that you will find the articles within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).

WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 13 Released

There has never been a better time to be a Disney fan than right now.  In just the next few months, we are going to see major expansions open in both California and Florida.  A major new resort is opening in Walt Disney World.  Disney California Adventure is becoming a whole theme park, perhaps for the first time in its history.  A spectacular new nighttime show has just debuted in Paris.  An incredible new cruise ship has joined the Disney Cruise Line fleet.  And, oh yeah, there’s a completely new theme park being designed for Asia.  If you are a Disney fan, you can’t help but to be excited about the near future.

At WDWNT: The Magazine, we try to share our excitement with our readers.  This month we have a wide-range of articles covering subjects as diverse as the history of Dumbo, FastPASS changes, the Disney College Program, a review of John Carter, and One More Disney Day.

This issue also introduces a number of new writers for WDWNT: The Magazine, and I’m thrilled to be able to share these new viewpoints and new voices with you.

We hope that you will find the articles within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).  If you like what you read here, please share it with your friends.

WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 8 Released

Walt Disney World is tribute to the philosophy and life of Walter Elias Disney … and to the talents, the dedication, and the loyalty of the entire Disney organization that made Walt Disney’s dream come true. May Walt Disney World bring Joy and Inspiration and New Knowledge to all who come to this happy place … a Magic Kingdom where the young at heart of all ages can laugh and play and learn together.

– Roy O. Disney, October 25, 1971

With those words, Roy O. Disney dedicated the park that would become the center-piece of the world’s most popular, and most unique, vacation resort.  After 40 years of joy, inspiration, and new knowledge, Walt Disney World continues to bring us together and is truly, our “happy place.”

In honor of Walt Disney World’s 40th anniversary, we are proud to release issue 8 of WDWNT: The Magazine.  In this issue, we look back at the 40 biggest moments in Walt Disney World History, as well as launch a new series of articles looking back at the attractions of the past in the Magic Kingdom.  In a special feature, we also have the reflections of some of our staff about what Walt Disney World has meant to them individually.  We also have a report on the Project Florida Vinylmation offerings, while our Eating WDW column provides a photo essay looking back at 40 years of Disney dining.

As usual, we also have a few of our reoccurring columns in this issue.  Armchair Imagineering takes a slightly different tack to look at the work of legendary Imagineer Yale Gracey.  The Time I looks at the runDisney event in Disneyland.  Ask Dave Smith answers a few more of your questions in this issue.

We hope that you will find the 72 pages of content within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).

WDWNT: The Magazine Issue 8 Released

Walt Disney World is a tribute to the philosophy and life of Walter Elias Disney … and to the talents, the dedication, and the loyalty of the entire Disney organization that made Walt Disney’s dream come true. May Walt Disney World bring Joy and Inspiration and New Knowledge to all who come to this happy place … a Magic Kingdom where the young at heart of all ages can laugh and play and learn together.

– Roy O. Disney, October 25, 1971

With those words, Roy O. Disney dedicated the park that would become the center-piece of the world’s most popular, and most unique, vacation resort.  After 40 years of joy, inspiration, and new knowledge, Walt Disney World continues to bring us together and is truly, our “happy place.”

In honor of Walt Disney World’s 40th anniversary, we are proud to release issue 8 of WDWNT: The Magazine.  In this issue, we look back at the 40 biggest moments in Walt Disney World History, as well as launch a new series of articles looking back at the attractions of the past in the Magic Kingdom.  In a special feature, we also have the reflections of some of our staff about what Walt Disney World has meant to them individually.  We also have a report on the Project Florida Vinylmation offerings, while our Eating WDW column provides a photo essay looking back at 40 years of Disney dining.

As usual, we also have a few of our reoccurring columns in this issue.  Armchair Imagineering takes a slightly different tack to look at the work of legendary Imagineer Yale Gracey.  The Time I looks at the runDisney event in Disneyland.  Ask Dave Smith answers a few more of your questions in this issue.

We hope that you will find the 72 pages of content within both entertaining and educational.  If you have any suggestions or feedback, we are always happy to hear from our readers.  Just send an email to WDWNTthemagazine@wdwnt.com and share your thoughts.

As a reminder, the magazine is available in digital form from our website (http://www.wdwntthemagazine.com) or in printed form from MagCloud (http://www.magcloud.com).

WDWNT: The Magazine – LAUNCHING SPACE MOUNTAIN

LAUNCHING SPACE MOUNTAIN

by David Smith

I remember the countdown on the lift hill.  That’s all.  That is not entirely true; I also remember the screams reverberating through the queue line.  I was seven at the time, and I was convinced that those screams represented the final moments of terrified people being flung off the track and into the dark void.  With every passing minute and scream, my fear continued to escalate in much the same manner that the lift hill would physically elevate the “space ships.”  Click, click, click… ever closer to a spiraling doom.  I don’t remember boarding, but I do remember hearing the countdown as the ship climbed the multi-thousand foot hill (at least it felt that way to my seven year-old self).

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“30 seconds to lift-off…”

“15 seconds to lift-off…”

“10 seconds to lift-off”

And then blackness.  Nothing.

I remember very little of my first encounter with Space Mountain in Disneyland.  I had sworn off roller coasters at age 5, but through a strategic combination of insulting reassurance and compassionate accusations of timidity, my family had convinced me to try a roller coaster for the first time.  My friend’s graphic description of the Abominable Snowman on Matterhorn, and my own reticence about riding a runaway train on Big Thunder Mountain left me only one option- Space Mountain.  I mean, what could possibly be scary about space?  (I had not seen Alien yet in this point of my life.)  By the time I was at the crest of the hill ready to launch into the starfield, I was fully convinced I had made a mistake, and if I survived, I would definitely need to find a new family.

I don’t remember the twists and turns, the dips, the speed, or the details of that first ride, but I absolutely remember exiting the attraction and wanting to go again.  Not only had I survived, I was hooked.  I would ride Space Mountain (and roller coasters in general) many more times after that.  What was it about this attraction that played a vital part in turning me, and many others like me, into a Disney theme park junkie?  To answer that question, let’s look back on the history of the attraction leading up to its opening at Walt Disney World and the various iterations that followed.

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“Why can’t we have a ‘space mountain’ ride?”

Conceptualization

As with most things in the Disney theme parks, the genesis of Space Mountain has to be traced back to Disneyland and Walt Disney’s vision.  In 1959, Disneyland opened the Matterhorn Bobsleds attraction, decisively establishing that 1) the tubular steel track design was an evolutionary leap forward in coaster design, and 2) thrill attractions could absolutely have a place in Disney theme park storytelling.  With the major Disneyland expansion completed, Walt Disney then turned his attention to renovating Tomorrowland with a planned completion in 1967.

Walt and his Imagineers had been working on creating a cohesive “Space Port” theme for Tomorrowland.  During one design review session, Walt is said to have asked, “Why can’t we have a ‘space mountain’ ride?”  With this single question, the 11-year journey from conception to reality began.  As he often did with things requiring a futuristic motif, Walt Disney asked John Hench in 1964 to begin work on designing a space mountain with the working title, “Space Voyage.”

For engineering the track layout, the Imagineers once again turned to Arrow Development, who had created the ride system for the Matterhorn Bobsleds.  As originally conceived, the attraction would consist of four separate tracks populated by single-car ride vehicles.  As with Matterhorn, the layout would make use of “energy wheels,” which enabled the innovative block zone operations.  Since the attraction was originally going to be installed in Disneyland’s Tomorrowland with southern California’s more predictable weather, the initial track layout included both indoor and outdoor elements that would instantaneously transition riders from blinding sunlight to complete darkness.

As the design team struggled to fit the four-track design into the available space, it soon became apparent that the design was just too large to fit into the available land in Disneyland.  Therefore, the team made the decision to go with two tracks and two-car trains, thus reducing the required space while maintaining capacity.

The design and engineering process continued at a steady pace, until that day in December 1966 that changed everything in the Disney Company.  With Walt’s death, focus shifted away from expanding Disneyland to the Florida project.  The Space Mountain project was put on hold, and many of the team members began working on the Thunder Mesa project.  It would be five years before the Space Mountain project was resurrected.

During the hiatus, the Imagineers encountered many of the same engineering challenges that they had faced, and would face again, on Space Mountain.  Even though the Thunder Mesa project itself would be put on hold, the experience and lessons learned on Thunder Mesa would have a direct impact on the Space Mountain design.

For instance, after visiting Arrow Development in 1968, WED engineer Bill Watkins concluded that Arrow’s “energy wheels” would be prohibitively costly to operate and maintain, and would likely increase the number of attraction shutdowns.  Thus, when development of Space Mountain resumed, it was quickly decided to make it a pure-gravity coaster.

Even prior to the Magic Kingdom’s opening in 1971, park executives recognized that in order to attract the teen and young adult demographic, more thrill rides were required.  There was some talk of replicating Matterhorn in Florida, but the lack of space in the Magic Kingdom’s Fantasyland quickly ended that idea.  Looking at previous ideas, “Space Voyage” quickly came to the forefront, and in early 1971, the project was restarted.

One of the first decisions was to change the attraction from an indoor / outdoor experience to a purely indoor one.  The primary factor behind this was central Florida’s less than predictable weather.  It was also at this point that the track layout was finalized.

Bill Watkins played a key role in engineering the track layout and is one of people most responsible for how Space Mountain feels.  At the time, computers were still too slow to handle the calculations required.  The WED computers that were capable of calculating the track curves would require an entire night to process the necessary data for a single curve.  Therefore, the curve calculations were all done by hand.

Bill used his experience as a pilot to provide a reference for how the curves of Space Mountain were meant to be felt.  During a coordinated (normal) turn, the speed and the bank of the aircraft determine the radius of the curve.  In addition, banking into a turn in an aircraft is usually a smooth transition and the pilot applies pressure to the controls.  Using these concepts as a guide, Bill designed the turns to have a smooth transition into and out of banks while also setting the curve radius to approximate the feel of an aircraft making a coordinated turn.

With the track layout finalized, it was time to start construction.  However, there was one final decision to make.  From the start, the very early sketches of Space Mountain showed the building having a cone shape.  During the design though, there was a sizable contingent of people that wanted the attraction to be covered with a dome shaped building.  A dome would be significantly easier, and cheaper, to build.  After much debate within the company, the decision was handed down that Space Mountain would have a cone shape.  Aesthetic value had won out over economic concerns.

Construction of Walt Disney World’s Space Mountain began in 1972, and the attraction was announced to the public in a joint statement with the attraction’s sponsor, RCA.

“Clearing the Tower”

Opening

On January 15th, 1975, Space Mountain was officially dedicated as a Magic Kingdom attraction.  Guests at the opening were entertained by a 2,000 piece marching band and the release of over 50,000 balloons along with fireworks.  During the ceremony, the Chairman of RCA, Robert Sarnoff, and the Chairman of Walt Disney Productions, Donn Tatum, unveiled a bronze dedication plaque engraved with the words: After nearly twelve years of designs and redesigns, starts and stops, technical obstacles and breakthroughs, cones and domes, Space Mountain was now open to the public and on its way into the stratosphere of American popular culture.

 

 

 

WDWNT The Magazine: A Goofy Weekend

This is a reprint from the printed editions of WDWNT: The Magazine

WDWNT The Magazine: A Goofy Weekend

By Michael Truskowski

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Michael with the Goofy Challenge medals.

Michael with the Goofy Challenge medals.

Running a marathon makes you part of a pretty exclusive club. Less than 1% of the population of the world will ever achieve this. For those of us who have, Disney has made an even more exclusive club, one that a very small, but very proud group of people will join. There is only one thing you can call someone who will wake up at 3AM, twice, to run a total of 39.3 miles- Goofy.

Goofy’s Race and a Half Challenge is an endurance event that is, for many, the ultimate Disney experience they will ever have. The challenge is to run the Walt Disney World Half Marathon on Saturday morning, then return to the start line on Sunday to complete the Walt Disney World Marathon. About 7,000 runners out of the 56,000 who participate in Marathon Weekend will take part in the Goofy. These runners are the most fanatical of all those participating in the runDisney events.

Saturday morning, up bright and early and to Epcot for the Half Marathon. The half is the largest event of the weekend in terms of number of participants, nearly 26,000. It would not be a Disney event without fireworks, and you will get plenty at the start line. Runners are assigned to a corral based on their expected finish time, and each corral gets the full starting treatment (timing devices in your race bib ensure that only your total net time is recorded, regardless of how long the clock was already running when you began). The race heads from Epcot, up World Drive, to the Transportation and Ticket Center. Hundreds of spectators will be out early to cheer you on as you make your way toward Magic Kingdom. One of the more difficult aspects of the course will be the roadway under the water bridge, just before the Contemporary Resort. That hill may not seem very steep on the bus, but trust me, it is.

Running through Cinderella Castle is the highlight of the race for most. Be sure to stop in front to get a photo. There will be multiple race photographers there to take your picture, so you won’t lose very much time at all. Once you leave the Magic Kingdom via the backstage area behind Splash Mountain (ever wanted to see what Splash Mountain looks like from the back?) the course narrows are you head toward the Grand Floridian and Polynesian resorts. Then it is back down World Drive to Epcot.

The most difficult section of the Half Marathon will be at mile 10. There are three long uphill climbs here as you go over several overpasses to get back into Epcot. Then it is a quick run through Future World, and out to the parking lot to the finish line. Congratulations Goofy runners, you are one third of the way there.

My sister joined me in the half this year, her first (and possibly last) race. She may have been nearly an hour behind me, but she got her Donald medal (this year was a special design to denote the 15th running of the half marathon). That medal was around her neck for the rest of the trip, as well as the “I Did It!” shirts that you can purchase at the expo (you didn’t expect Disney to miss putting a gift shop here did you?)

Sunday morning, up early again. The full marathon begins the same way as the half (Mickey starts the race instead of Donald), although you do get to run through Epcot first before heading up to Magic Kingdom. Unlike the half marathon, the course takes a turn through backstage areas on the way to Animal Kingdom. Most notably, runners pass the recycling station for the resort at mile 15.

One of the things that the marathon really makes you appreciate is the size of Animal Kingdom. Once you enter the backstage gates of the other parks, you are in the middle of guest areas very quickly. Not at Animal Kingdom. There is more than a mile of roadway before you exit backstage. I always get a kick out of the guests who arrive at Animal Kingdom that morning and are unaware of the fact that the marathon will be interrupting their morning. Of course, the ones who run through the crosswalks (please follow cast member directions so we don’t hit you) are treated with no wait times at Expedition Everest.

After a very cold week, it got very warm for marathon weekend, and the long, treeless section of the course between Animal Kingdom and Disney’s Hollywood Studios was particularly grueling this year. It was quite a relief to get into the Studios. Having a crowd in the park to cheer you on definitely helps make the last, brutal miles seem easier. One thing I will say about the Goofy Challenge is that you should not run for time. Both the half and full marathons were quite a ways off from my best performances, as I did not want to push too hard in the half, and felt some of the previous days pain in the full.

The big prize, aside from the sense of accomplishment, is the medal you receive at the end (even if you come in last, you get the same medal as those in front of you). For the Goofy, you are rewarded with three, a Donald medal for the half marathon, a Mickey medal for the full marathon, and the much coveted Goofy medal for completing the challenge. Wearing this medal around the parks after the race is over will earn you many congratulations from cast members and guests alike, and even other runners (those without Goofys) seem to look up to you.

One benefit of traveling to Walt Disney World for marathon weekend is that you get to experience holiday hangover time. It is not easy for me to make it down to the parks during the holidays, but I still got to experience the Castle Dreamlights, and the Osbourne Family Spectacle of Dancing Lights, as well as decoration property wide. Although the Christmas background music did start to get somewhat tiring by January 9th.

Probably the hardest part of the entire weekend was waking up at 3AM two days in a row. This is probably the first time since I was a small child that I was in bed by 8PM. This was my third full marathon, and 12th half marathon, but putting the two together was a much bigger challenge than those prior events were. But the sense of accomplishment vastly exceeds the pain. Many of my friends are runners, but none have attempted a race like this. Not to mention the chance to see Walt Disney World in ways few guests ever do.

The runDisney events have seen a surge in popularity in recent years, with all races reaching capacity before event day. In addition to Walt Disney World Marathon Weekend, there are the Princess Half Marathon (Walt Disney World) and Tinker Bell Half Marathon (Disneyland), which are women focused events (but men can run too), The Expedition Everest Challenge, the newly reimagined Tower of Terror 10 Mile, the Disneyland Half Marathon, and the Wine and Dine Half Marathon. Complete any two of at least a half marathon on each coast and receive the special Coast to Coast medal as well. For more information and to sign up to run, visit www.rundisney.com.

There is something else that is important to be said as well. This is a challenge that you the reader can probably complete. That statistic I mentioned earlier about how many people will ever complete a marathon is only part of the story. Of the people who make it to the start line, 98% of them will finish. It takes training and determination to be sure, but you do not need to be an Olympian to do it. I only started running three years ago, and now have over 3000 miles logged and six runDisney medals hanging on my wall (and a New York Marathon too). If you want a Disney experience that is truly unique, and will have your friends amazed, consider signing up for one of the events. Start with a 5K, you may just find yourself going Goofy in the not too distant future.